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A Response to ‘Women Against Feminism.’

Imagine this:

The year is 2014. You are a white Western woman. You wake up in the morning in a comfortably sized house or flat. You have a full or part-time job that enables you to pay your rent or mortgage. You have been to school and maybe even college or university as well. You can read and write and count. You own a car or have a driver’s licence. You have enough money in your own bank account to feed and clothe yourself. You have access to the Internet. You can vote. You have a boyfriend or girlfriend of your choosing, who you can also marry if you want to, and raise a family with. You walk down the street wearing whatever you feel like wearing. You can go to bars and clubs and sleep with whomever you want.

Your world is full of freedom and possibility.

Then you pick up a newspaper or go online. You read about angry women ranting about sexism and inequality. You see phrases like ‘rape-culture’ and ‘slut-shaming.’ You furrow your brow and think to yourself: ‘What are they so angry about? There is no such thing as sexism anymore.’

Now imagine this:

The year is 2013. You are a 25 year-old Pakistani woman. A few months ago, you married the man you love. A man you choose for yourself. You are also pregnant with his child. You see your life stretching out before you, filled with hope and happiness. Suddenly, you and your husband are dragged away from each other. You are both beaten with bricks and batons. You can’t fight back. You can’t escape. No one comes to help you. Through your fading vision, you look up, and look into the eyes of one of your assailants: into the eyes of your father.

The year is 2013. You are a 23 year-old Indian woman. You are a physiotherapy student with a promising career ahead of you. You are sitting on a private bus travelling home alone on a warm December evening. You gaze out of the window as the buildings of New Dheli rush past you and feel content. Suddenly, a blunt force hits the back of your head and you fall to the floor of the bus. A group of strange men are standing over you. They bring the metal bar down on you again and again and again until all you can taste is the blood filling up your mouth. You pray that you will die soon. And you do, but not then. You are raped, beaten, and tortured over and over again. Death is slow and agonising.

The year is 2014. You are a 13 year-old girl from Niger. You no longer live there though. You are now living in the neighbouring country Nigeria, sitting alone in small room on a small bed in a small apartment high above the city of Kano. You are not allowed to leave. Your stomach is swollen from the unwanted life growing inside of it. You had no choice. The father is a man in his 40s. He is a businessman. He has bought you as his wife. You were a penniless, uneducated girl when he came for you. You don’t know of any life you could have had. Neither did your family: just one less mouth for them to feed. You still have the body of a child, and it’s straining under the pressure from the one inside of you. You feel like you’re about to be split in two. You don’t wonder if you will survive the birth. A part of you doesn’t want to.

These are fictionalised accounts of real events that have happened to real women living in our world today. They follow the past 250 years of women and men campaigning for women to be given equal rights to men to prevent these kinds of injustices and abuses on the grounds of gender taking place. Over the course of this time, campaigners – Feminists, both female and male – have been locked up, beaten, tortured, and even killed, in the pursuit of equality. They did this with pen and ink and print; they did this with their voices; they did this with their bodies; they did this with art and music; they did in courts of law and halls and houses of government that they fought be to allowed into.

They did this so that women would no longer been seen as property, livestock, breeding machines, sex objects, punching bags, or infantile morons. They did this not just for themselves, but also for their daughters, and their daughters, and their daughters for generations to come. They did this for women they would never meet – women who lived across countries, across vast oceans, across the entire globe, and even across time.

They did this so that women like me – a white Western woman – could attend school and university; to learn to read, write, and think critically; to gain a degree; to get a job and be paid an equal salary to a man in the same position; and to sit here with my own computer and type all of this.

Feminism is a movement for freedom, equality, choice, love, compassion, respect, solidarity, and education. We may argue, we may disagree, we may struggle to understand the choices and perspectives of others sometimes, but these core beliefs of the movement have never changed, and they never will.

That is why I am a Feminist.

If you feel that you have so far lived your life unaffected by even the mildest form of sexism – anything from feeling uncomfortable when a man catcalls you in the street, to feeling scared walking home alone at night in a secluded area – and are treated with love and respect by every man in your life, then to you I say: I’m glad for you. If you don’t think you need feminism, then that is a victory for the movement. You have fulfilled all those dreams that every suffragette being force-fed in prison and every ‘witch’ burnt at the stake dreamed you would one day.

But perhaps take a second to consider the life of the Pakistani woman who was beaten to death by her own family for marrying a man of her choosing. Or the life of the Indian woman who was raped, beaten, and murdered on a bus by a gang of men. Or the life of the little girl in Niger who was sold to a man more than twice her own age and forced to carry a baby that may kill her to deliver. Do they still need feminism?

And perhaps take a second to consider this too: Even in our liberal, Western world, why do women still only fill 24% of senior management jobs? Why are more women than men domestically abused or even killed every week at the hands of their male partner or ex-partner? Why is there still a pay gap (in the UK specifically) of 15% for women doing the same jobs and working the same hours as men?

And what about on a cultural level? Have you ever noticed how comedy panel shows usually only have one female panellist compared to 4-5 male ones? That almost every dieting product on the market is solely aimed at women? How a lot of newspapers and advertising campaigns will use a sexualised or pornographic image of a woman to sell news or products that have nothing to do with sex?

Or perhaps on a personal level: Do you choose to wear certain clothes because you want to or because you feel ‘unfeminine’ if you don’t? Do you choose to cover yourself up because you want to or because you feel ashamed or intimidated by a man looking at your body? Do you shave your legs and underarm hair because you want to or because you will look ‘ugly’ if you don’t? Did you parents dress you in pink as a baby because they liked the colour or because you were born a girl? Do you want to have children because you want to or because you are a woman?

When you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning, do you see yourself through your own eyes, or through the eyes of the men that will look at you when you walk out the door?

The fact is, like it or not, you still live a world where gender matters. Where gender controls not just the entire course of your life – but the lives of women all over the world. Every second, a child will be born female in a country where she will persecuted for this random biological occurrence for the rest of her life. So before you hold up your anti-Feminist placard proudly and smile at your own sense of empowerment, think not what Feminism can do for you, but what it can do for that one girl. She needs someone to stand up for her. That someone could be you.


 

This is a response to ‘Women Against Feminism’ groups on Tumblr and Facebook.

The stories of the women mentioned in this post were sourced from these sites:

http://feminist.org/blog/index.php/2014/05/29/pakistani-woman-stoned-to-death-for-marrying-a-man-of-her-own-choosing/

http://feminist.org/blog/index.php/2013/01/02/indias-tipping-point-death-of-rape-victim-sparks-global-outrage/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-27619295

Other facts and statistics were sourced from here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/international-womens-day-2014-the-shocking-statistics-that-show-why-it-is-still-so-important-9177211.html

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1,277 thoughts on “A Response to ‘Women Against Feminism.’

  1. Sexim still exist and is sometimes widely promoted through extreme feminism, thats why equality is still a on going war in this day and age. Women against feminism is a interesting movement, because that movement doesnt attack the normal kind of feminism , they attack the ones that are going into a war against men, meaning if you are not female you are evil , thats what women against feminism stand for, I admit they might not be going at it the smartest way but I support their motives , why ? Its simple because they want equality. I am not considering myself a feminist nor do I am against it , I want equality for everyone, not just for women or man, but for every gender.

    • Colleen says:

      This stance, then, also comes from a very white-privileged, narrow view of the world.

      1. How many of the feminist movement are purely in it because they “hate men”? That is such an outdated, sexist stereotype, and it’s grossly overstated. The majority are fighting for YOUR rights, for everyone’s rights – women and, yes, men, too.

      2. Do you think the three women in this article (and the millions in the same boat) give a damn whether a feminist hates men or not as long as she fights also for equal rights for them? Do you think they have time to give a damn?

      The world is divided enough without further narrow-minded, childish divisions among women. We need to work together for the good of the entire planet of women (the article’s point).

      • 1) I am not white
        2) What privileges do I have? Lets check them shall we ?
        First of all I am a male , that means in my country that I have to bring the income to my family and being the oldest son I had to start working at a younger age to provide my family with money. Indeed I was lucky to be a young basketball talent and got some money from it and didn’t have to work to part time in the kitchen or as a waiter.
        3) The feminist movement is dieing currently, its not hate towards men only, its hate towards everyone that doesnt accept the superiority of women compared to man.
        4) How can someone fight for equal rights and in the same time destroy the other gender, seems a bit impossible dont you think?
        5) The only thing I agree with you is that you should be united, but you never will be because of the simple fact that most of those who fight the good fight and who want equality dont do anything about that fact and they rather go and write on their blogs how the world is unfair to all women while sitting comfortable in her own place with internet and food .
        Simply put feminists destroy their own movement.

  2. Reblogged this on The End and commented:
    Blogging, in its highest form, is a conversation. Last week, I wrote a post expressing my own sadness and anger that I live in country which talks about freedom and equality… but too often does not walk that walk. A woman named Lisa clicked the ‘like’ button on my post. That led me to her blog, where I discovered this post that she had chosen to reblog.

    We do not have to be white to understand the injustices suffered by people of color. We do not have to be female to understand the injustices suffered by women and girls. We do not have to be lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender to understand the injustices suffered by members of the queer community. We already possess the only attribute needed to understand each other’s challenges: we are all human. Once you and I understand the injustices we all face, the only thing left for us to do is to act humanely toward each other. It is no coincidence that all of the world’s faith traditions share one most basic tenet: Treat others as you want to be treated. What could be simpler? Easier? Less controversial?

    I share this post with you because it speaks to the importance of looking beyond ourselves. I am not a woman, but I am a feminist. What about you?

  3. I enjoyed your thoughts, found this post through a reblog.

    Question for you: The three fictionalized real life examples you cite are, to my mind, rooted in religious views on woman. Equality has surged foreword in places where religion has taken a backseat to secularism. I’m a gay American expat living in Japan and the freedom I feel around me is liberating (which is why I’ve chosen to live here). So, to your mind do you feel the prejudice women experience has it’s root in older traditions, such as religion?

  4. Mina Montgomery-Matosi says:

    Jhan1969, I’m sure you’ve heard of cause and effect. People who classify themselves as white have caused unspeakable harm to other peoples around the globe for centuries. That strategy of destroying the other because of a deep-rooted fear of annihilation, or of becoming extinct — a fear based on the recessive gene of people who classify themselves as white — is still being used through the proliferation of guns, war, drugs, theft, pillaging and brainwashing.

    Presently, people who classify themselves as white now make up only one-tenth of the world’s population and still contrive in concertation — women who classify themselves as white included — to control, demean and destroy the other nine-tenths the world’s population so as not to become absorbed by it. Therefore, keeping those statistics in mind, who, or what, do you think is going to win — and in the not so distant future? The answer, of course, is melanin.

    • jhan1969 says:

      White people are guilty, and it’s all because of racism. Period, end of story. Anything else, and you’re a bigot.

      This is the firmly held, unshakeable, lefty, po-mo, post-colonialist worldview. President Obama is a great example of that. That’s why one of the first things he did after he was elected the 1st time was fly to the Middle East on an apology tour, talking about how America did ‘bad things’ too. It’s not that he sees the world in a ‘balanced’ way. He thinks America actually IS bad. Why? ‘Cause WHITE PEOPLE founded it. Again: White people are guilty, end of story.

      You know, people like you are SO arrogant and condescending. You think the rest of us know NOTHING about history. That we’re all walking around in some kind of false consciousness. That YOU are the great revealers of truth. SPARE ME. You’re a bunch of ideologues. You cannot, for a minute, question your own ideas, because to do so would send you into an existential crisis.

      You cannot get out of the leftist paradigm for even a second, because to you, it’s GOSPEL TRUTH.

      I’m a white guy. What have I EVER done to oppress people of different ethnic backgrounds? NOTHING. But according to you, I’m guilty just because I’m white. The entire white world is guilty. Never mind that EVERY SINGLE CULTURE, EVERY SINGLE ETHNIC GROUP ON THIS PLANET, has committed atrocities, and some of them pretty bad. If you actually studied HISTORY, you’d know this. If you’d read something besides Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky and Cornel West, you’d know this.

      But you CAN’T, because your ideology is more important.

      And it’s that ideology that’s keeping black people back – keeping them in PERMANENT VICTIMHOOD.

      You’re NOT teaching black people that they CAN fight their way out of poverty. That they CAN better their circumstances. What you ARE teaching them is that because of slavery, they are PERMANENTLY damaged goods. You’ve destroyed the black family by replacing it with GOVERNMENT. You’ve destroyed black life by allowing it to be taken over by hip-hop culture.

      I can go on and on . . .

      YOU claim to be the intelligent masters of ‘nuance’ and complexity. You claim to know it all, but you know NOTHING. All you know is a static, never-changing notion of ‘White people are oppressors, and everyone else is oppressed.’ An ideology of RESENTMENT and HATE.

      The truth of the matter is: Slavery happened. There’s nothing anyone can do about it now. Black people have to look back, deal with the history emotionally and intellectually, and MOVE THE F__K ON, like every other group of people in history.

      Black people need to get UN-STUCK, but you won’t let them. You NEED to keep them down, because successful people don’t need an ideology of resentment and anger. That wouldn’t serve your purpose at all. You NEED to keep black people balkanized in their own dysfunctional culture, or else your ideology just doesn’t work.

      That’s why ANY black person who disagrees with the standard, leftist view of race is deemed a ‘sellout’ or an ‘Uncle Tom.’ Intellectual fascism is a REQUIREMENT of leftist ideology.

      And the ‘rest of us,’ including quite a few black people, are getting sick of it.

      • Mina Montgomery-Matosi says:

        Jhan1969, it is you who sound angry and resentful, which is no way to participate in debate; have you asked yourself why you sound so bellicose?

        It is true that all ethnic groups have committed atrocities, as you say. But only those who classify themselves as white have developed a system in which they have oppressed others by pillaging their natural resources and using their free labour to amass incredible wealth. This greed is motivated by fear of extinction.

        It is also true that the oppressed can fight back and take control of their lives — and will do so once they stop drinking the Kool-Aid of those who classify themselves as white. Once they become properly educated, are provided good schools and teachers and wider access to high-paying jobs they will be better equipped to choose healthier lifestyles and move on, as you say.

        The Hip-Hop industry that you mentioned, like the gun and drug warfare industries, benefits those who perpetuate this racist system and those executives who reap the greatest rewards from them. When these young people wake up and realise that these industries are designed to keep them hemmed up in poor neighbourhoods, designed to send them to jail and continue being a source of free labour, and designed to ultimately kill them, they will continue to meet resistance from those lucrative industries.

        But they will certainly one day take control of their lives because the debate continues, and because soon everyone on this planet will be brown.

      • Dude, no one is saying that you personally are guilty of doing bad things to black folks or what have you – what we’re saying is that there is a systematic oppression of black folks (or other POC or gay folks, trans folks, women, etc) by white, straight, upper class cis folks – a SYSTEMATIC oppression, and by doing nothing, we (as the group that benefits) are allowing it to continue. It doesn’t always exist on a personal, individual level, but it does on a national scale, and that is what we’re discussing.

      • jhan1969 says:

        “there is a systematic oppression of black folks (or other POC or gay folks, trans folks, women, etc) by white, straight, upper class cis folks”

        And I’m saying, NO THEY’RE ISN’T. And we will never agree on this, which is why these debates are worthless. Black culture needs to drop it’s VICTIM STATUS and move on. Black conservative intellectuals say this all the time, and they’re branded Uncle Toms for doing so because the Left will accept no other viewpoint but it’s own.

        The world is full of non-western ethnic groups that have suffered terribly in the past. And yet, when those non-western ethnic groups move to western countries, they are highly successful within one or two generations. Black people need to DO WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING, and stop complaining.

        Koreans immigrate to America and work 70 hours a week, live in near penury, and then wind up sending their kids to ivy league schools. Are they clamoring for handouts and government largesse? NO. They just come here and bust their asses, like my grandparents and parents did. They go to school, work hard, and follow the rules.

        And they don’t have 2 or 3 kids out of wedlock by 2 different fathers.

        I don’t like supporting someone else’s illegitimate kids, just like I don’t bailing out greedy investment bankers. BOTH things suck to me. BOTH things are just someone’s hands in my pockets. There comes a point where people have to take care of their own business and leave me the F__K alone already.

        There. That’s the attitude of most white, middle class Americans. AND black Americans that make it to the middle class. Black middle class people don’t like supporting someone else’s illegitimate kids any more than white people do.

        Go ahead and call me a racist. That’s what you people love to do.

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  9. Joe says:

    Imagine you’re that western woman and you have time to think about such things and you quickly see right through the feminist propaganda machine. You might, naturally, conclude that feminism in the west is pure BS. You’d be right.

    Then the typical feminist trick of trying to hide behind 3rd world women that modern western feminists really couldn’t care less about and are doing nothing for. Also, almost every anti-feminist I’ve ever seen says that such women could probably use some feminism.

    Some stuff about how western feminists were abused, all unsubstantiated and even if you produced evidence, it’s actually quite beside the point. What IS the ponit? Well, if you’d read the posts and open your brain a bit, you’d understand. Instead, you choose to defend your little religion.

    “Feminism is a movement for freedom, equality, choice, love, compassion, respect, solidarity, and education.”
    —ah, you obviously have no clue what you’re talking about. Equality? Explain why the modern feminists couldn’t care less about the original ERA. Explain so many things but, of course, being a feminist, you have no honest explanations.

    Then you ignore the fact that many of these WAF’s have said that they HAVE experienced sexism and are still against feminism. You also seem to be ignoring that their experience pretty much nulls the existence of this ‘patriarchy’ that oppresses women for the hell of it.

    Then some more irrelevant stuff about 3rd world women, irrelevant to this discussion at least, unless western feminists plan on DOING something to help those women instead of just exploiting their suffering to justify bitching about the Blurred Lines video.

    Then you ignore that it’s possible that men and women make different choices b/c of oh, I don’t know, biology? Evolution maybe?

    Then a sweeping statement about ‘domestic abuse’ being a gendered crime. Perhaps but honestly, I’m not inclined to take your word for anything since so far lying seems to be stock and trade for feminists.

    Then the wage gap bit, ignoring the fact that they could be because of choices and, in any case, your accusation of sexism hasn’t been proven. Or even well supported.

    Then you start fishing for something on a cultural level or personal level, basically, at this point, it feels like you’re begging WAF to be feminists. Well, ‘no means no’.

    “The fact is, like it or not, …”
    —then you talk down to them like YOU know the score and they’re all a bunch of idiots.

    If I wasn’t an anti-feminist before your post, I’d probably be one AFTER reading it.

    • Colleen says:

      Joe, you sound very ignorant. The only thing I will encourage you to do is conduct research about the many western organizations, many women-run, helping third world country women around the world. I was thrilled to be a part of one in my little corner of the world in Denver called Building Bridges. It brought together teenage girls from Israel, Palestine, and America for an intensive leadership program. Imagine the good that organization does. Unlike you, they put their actions where their mouths are.

      What have you done for women being oppressed around the world, Joe?

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  11. jhan1969 says:

    No matter how bad your problems are, or who caused them, you can’t overcome them by blaming other people. Other people might’a caused your problems, or you might’a caused them yourself. But YOU are the only one that can solve them.

    Period.

    Instead of empowering black people, the leftist intelligentsia keeps them in a perpetual victim state. Black culture is like an un-recovered trauma victim; stuck in PAIN mode. It has not learned how to look back, deal with the emotional pain of what happened, heal from it, and then move forward. It’s like a person who’s been stuck in therapy for ten years re-hashing the same painful experience over and over again, with no one to teach them how to truly heal.

    Why? Because the leftist intelligentsia WANTS black culture wounded. If black people really do rise up and overcome, they WON’T NEED the left’s victim narrative anymore. It won’t need the perpetual anger and resentment, because happy people DON’T NEED THAT SHIT.

    The leftist intelligentsia would be out of a job. And that’s what this is really all about.

    You have s___bag hyppcrites like Michael Eric Dyson, who promotes Tupac Shakur as the apex of black culture. UNBELIEVABLE. Like there’s NO ONE better than a twice convicted sex offender to offer black boys as a role model. Forget all the black people who fought their way up from nothing and became contributing citizens. Forget the doctors, lawyers, inventors, scientists, authors . . . meanwhile, Dyson enjoys HIS privileged position in the WHITE ACADEMY, with his six figure salary and book deals. Just like Cornell West, who goes around preaching Marxist tripe and encouraging cultural balkanization for black people, and gets paid thousands of dollars per lecture from WHITE PEOPLE for his troubles.

    And black kids from the projects who like to read, do their homework, and work hard are accused of trying to be WHITE. As if failure SHOULD = blackness. As if learning how to speak correctly and be civil means you’re some kind of house servant. Never mind that’s what we’re ALL SUPPOSED TO LEARN. All of us.

    The left purposely keeps black people balkanized from the rest of America so that they can control them. And anyone who disagrees with the left is immediately branded as a RACIST. Any black person who disagrees with them is immediately branded an Uncle Tom, by black people who spend most of their time in WHITE CULTURE!!

    But go ahead and lecture me about history, as if I never would have known anything had YOU not told me. Talk about slavery like I never read a history book. Tell me about Native Americans, like I had NO IDEA AT ALL. Then maybe I can tell YOU that no person ever got out of their troubles with someone’s foot on their neck.

    And that foot belongs to the intellectual left. The insane, addle-brained Marxists who don’t actually know how to DO ANYTHING in this world, except stubbornly view the world through their own paradigm. The people who see the world as they WANT TO SEE IT, and not how it truly is. The people who do everything they can to destroy the family, the church, and any other place where black people get any kind of meaningful lessons about life. All for THEIR illusory dreams of how things should be.

    The left MUST give up its hegemony over the debate on race. It MUST let in other viewpoints. it MUST be willing to hear things it doesn’t want to hear. Otherwise we’ll be stuck in the same s__t forever. Black kids shooting each other in the streets of Chicago. An 80% minority prison population. The left has controlled ideas about race since the 60’s, and WHERE THE F__K HAS IT GOTTEN US?? Mostly in a big pile of s__t. And yet, they keep on doing the same things over and over again, as if somehow, it’s gonna be different this time around.

    A few weeks ago, a young black female employee helped me out in an AT&T store. She was friendly, articulate, and helpful. It was a nice experience. I left that store thinking that if she went on that way, maybe went to school at night and got her associate’s degree or maybe even a BA, she could become a district manager. Maybe become head of sales for a whole region. Maybe work her way up to a C-level corporate job. Maybe have a family and get out of the projects. I saw good things in that girl’s future. And I know how hard she has it, surrounded by a culture that tells her she’s SUPPOSED to be a victim, and not an empowered young black woman on the rise.

    Of course, since the lefty moonbats who are REALLY in charge of ‘The Academy’ hate capitalism and the ‘American Dream’ to begin with, they DON’T WANT that girl to get ahead. They WANT to see black culture fail so they can try and replace it with whatever psychotic scheme they have. And in that scheme, who do you think they want in charge?

    As long as the black leftist intelligentsia gets THEIR paychecks. As long as liberal democrats get THEIR votes, then it’s all good, right??

  12. Mina Montgomery-Matosi says:

    Jhan1969, Certainly you have had “nice” experiences with other “friendly, articulate and helpful” “black females” than the one you mentioned. But for the sake of argument, let’s say you haven’t. But why even in the latter hypothesis would you deduce that the young woman in question is not already enrolled in school? And why would you suggest that she should limit her goals to an “associate degree or maybe even a BA”? Why should you decide that she should limit her career goals to becoming “district manager” or “head of sales for a whole region”? Why should she, according to your limited vision for her, stop at “a C-Level corporate job”?

    Why do you believe she lives in “the projects”? Did she indicate to you that she did?. Why could you not imagine her earning a PhD in Law or Economics and going on to become CEO of a corporation or President of the United States, for example? With a little imagination on your part, I believe you could see even better things in her future than what you propose for her. To “know how hard she has it”, as you say you do, you would have to live in her shoes, surrounded by misogyny, discrimination, racism and people from every other group in society reminding her how far she cannot go, and that she should be satisfied with “C-Level” accomplishment. Of course she doesn’t have to listen to them, or to you, and may become just as empowered as some men and women with the same qualifications as she will have added to her resume after earning that PhD. May she work her way to the very top — and hopefully earn the same pay for the same job as all her male and female colleagues earn.

    • jhan1969 says:

      “But for the sake of argument, let’s say you haven’t. But why even in the latter hypothesis would you deduce that the young woman in question is not already enrolled in school? And why would you suggest that she should limit her goals to an “associate degree or maybe even a BA”? Why should you decide that she should limit her career goals to becoming “district manager” or “head of sales for a whole region”? Why should she, according to your limited vision for her, stop at “a C-Level corporate job”

      Are you even for REAL?? While you’re sprouting all this nonsense and trying to prove that somehow, I just HAVE to be a racist (because being a white male, I can’t be anything but), I’ll be writing a letter to her district manager to tell them how professional and courteous and efficient this young woman is. I’ll be doing something CONCRETE to try and help her, while YOU flap around desperately to come up with some half-baked literary conceit to prove that I hate black people.

      You know, I think I’ll start that letter right now. If you want, I can sign it ‘White guy who was really impressed by your black employee.’ That’ll prove I’m a racist, so you don’t have to work at that anymore.

      And C-Level means the TOP. As in global VP, CEO, ‘person-who-runs-shit.’ Do some research before you go tiring yourself out.

      Idiot.

  13. Mina Montgomery-Matosi says:

    Jhan1969, So now youre name-calling in one of the most derogatory manners, aren’t you? Firstly, it is you who classify yourself as white; and no, I do not believe everyone who classifies themselves as white hates Africans or people of African origin. So just sign your letter with your name so that you don’t sound suspect.

    Lastly, noting that you wrote that the young woman might one day obtain “some C-Level position” I just wanted to remind you that we could encourage her to go all the way to the top and become CEO. But I should have said Chairwoman of the Board or President of the United States.

    Do you think she could break that glass ceiling as well as Hillary, Sir?

    • jhan1969 says:

      Fuckin, A’ man. Just call all white people racists. That’s what you want to do.

      I’m done here. Unsubscribed. You people are losers.

  14. Mina Montgomery-Matosi says:

    Aw! Jhan1969, Giving up and ending communication is no way to advance understanding. All you have to do is stop the name-calling, and I’ll look forward to reading your points of view. No one is wrong all the time, and everyone is sometimes correct in her or his assumptions. And you are far from being a loser.

  15. lauren says:

    I agree with all except one minor detail.
    I don’t (and know other girls don’t) walk out the door worrying about what men are going to think of what I look like. It’s the women that I (and others) find are most judgemental on that front.

  16. I have thought for a long time that there is a global jihad against women…. and its getting worse. To all these dolts I say, “Why aren’t you fucking a man if you hate women so much?” Really… think about it.

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